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#121 RE: Silly Season 2014 by an1th 07.07.2013 07:34

Kinda makes sense , but we do not know if it is reliable.

#122 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Ragingjamaican 07.07.2013 13:14

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I heard James Allen commented that Red Bull internally are pushing for Riccardo.

#123 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Betulla 07.07.2013 18:58

An analysis by Marc Limacher

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Le (trop) petit marché pilote de la Formule 1
par Marc Limacher publié le 2 juillet 2013

Il n’y a pas que le marchĂ© des sponsors qui devient limitĂ© en Formule 1. L’annonce du dĂ©part de Mark Webber met en lumiĂšre les Ă©normes dĂ©ficits de la discipline sur le marchĂ© des transferts pilotes.

La communication corporate des Ă©quipes arrive dĂ©sormais au bout du systĂšme et elle est rattrapĂ©e par la rĂ©alitĂ© du marchĂ©. Cela nĂ©cessite un sĂ©rieux dĂ©cryptage et de pointer les limites du systĂšme. SĂ©bastian Vettel est sous contrat jusqu’en 2015 avec Red Bull Racing, ce qui signifie que le prochain Ă©quipier du triple champion allemand signera un contrat de trois annĂ©es maximum (2 ans + 1 an en option). En mettant de cĂŽtĂ© pour le moment Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren et Lotus, pour nous concentrer sur le reste du plateau.

Chez Force India, l’annonce de la prolongation de fourniture moteur avec Mercedes-Benz garantie la prĂ©sence d’un pilote allemand derriĂšre le volant. Adrian Sutil s’y installera donc pendant quelques annĂ©es, tout en garantissant 8 millions d’euros de revenus (direct et indirect) envers l’équipe. Paul di Resta garantissait le KERS allemand et pourrait aussi continuer, bien que les difficultĂ©s de l’équipe indienne ouvrira la porte Ă  un pilote apportant un vrai budget. Chez Williams, l’accord avec PDVSA dĂ©pend de la prĂ©sence d’un pilote venant du Venezuela. Ce qui limite les possibilitĂ©s. Tandis que Valtteri Bottas est un investissement de l’équipe anglaise. Garantissant un budget de complĂ©ment sur les droits TV en 2013, le jeune finlandais est une garantie pour le moteur Mercedes-Benz dĂšs 2014. Toto Wolff, actuellement en poste Ă  Brackley est son ancien agent. Chez Toro Rosso, la stratĂ©gie synergique avec RBR est visible avec la signature du moteur Renault en 2014. Une signature qui pourrait garantir la prĂ©sence de Jean Eric Vergne Ă  terme, avec un possible investissement de Total. L’avenir de Daniel Ricciardo est un peu plus trouble. Chez Sauber, les discussions sont actives pour conserver l’investissement de Telmex (15 millions d’euros total par an) au-delĂ  de 2013. Esteban GuĂȘtriez semble encore assez tendre et rien d’indique que le groupe mexicain souhaite rĂ©partir son argent avec McLaren. Nico Hulkenberg Ă©tant sous contrat avec Ferrari (qui le tient en rĂ©serve), sera donc prĂ©sent en 2014, grĂące Ă  la propulsion du moteur italien, en cas de prolongation de Felipe Massa.

CĂŽtĂ© Caterham, les discussions sont intenses avec Renault et Charles Pic. Ce dernier est dĂ©pendant de cette dĂ©cision. L’autre pilote de l’équipe anglaise sera un apporteur d’affaire. Chez Marussia, la prochaine signature du moteur Ferrari garantira la prĂ©sence de Jules Bianchi. Le second pilote sera aussi un apporteur d’affaire. L’état des lieux du marchĂ© sur les pilotes du milieu et bas de tableau montre que l’ensemble est un peu verrouillĂ© par les constructeurs d’une part et les sponsors d’autre part.

Reste les tops team. Chez Ferrari le duo Alonso-Massa sera encore une fois prolongĂ© en 2014, selon toute vraisemblance. Chez Mercedes, Hamilton et Rosberg va aussi continuer l’aventure. McLaren a signĂ© Sergio Perez jusqu’en 2015 avec l’espoir d’un gros budget du groupe Telmex, tandis que Jenson Button dispose d’un accord jusqu’en 2014 et qu’il faudrait payer pour le libĂ©rer une annĂ©e plus tĂŽt. Reste donc Lotus. Kimi Raikkonen est en fin de contrat en 2013, tout comme Romain Grosjean d’ailleurs. Ce qui explique les rumeurs sur un transfert du champion du monde 2007 chez RBR dĂšs l’an prochain. Car en rĂ©alitĂ© c’est la seule solution du marchĂ© !

Cela dĂ©montre aussi les grosses difficultĂ©s de la Formule 1 Ă  gĂ©nĂ©rer la nouveautĂ©. Le GP2 n’est plus qu’une discipline coĂ»tant de l’argent et sans grand vecteur ascensionnel. Idem pour le World SĂ©rie Renault aujourd’hui et la F3. Il faut faire partie d’une filiĂšre (Red Bull surtout et encore
) pour espĂ©rer entrevoir la Formule 1. Cependant, l’Indycar n’est plus une solution malheureusement. Hormis Danica Patrick, pour des raisons marketings, les pilotes de la formule amĂ©ricaine sont dĂ©sormais perçus au mĂȘme niveau que le GP2. SĂ©bastien Bourdais est le dernier Ă  avoir fait le bond. Il est loin le temps de Jacques Villeneuve, Alex Zanardi, Juan Pablo Montoya et christiano Da Matta. Ce qui permet de tirer la sonnette d’alarme, car les Ă©quipes misent sur des pilotes ayant dĂ©jĂ  eu l’expĂ©rience de la F1 Ă  cause du manque d’essais durant l’annĂ©e. Kamui Kobayashi a donc une chance, tout comme Bruno Senna et Vitaly Petrov de revenir dans le grand cirque. Le reste est encore une terre inconnue


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If you need a translation:

LA NOTE DU MARDI

The (too) small driver market of Formula 1
http://www.tomorrownewsf1.com/le-trop-p ... mule-1-872

by Marc Limacher
published on July 2, 2013

In Formula 1, there is not only the market of sponsors becoming limited. The announcement of Mark Webber's departure highlights the huge deficits of the discipline on the driver transfer market.

The corporate communication of the teams comes now to the far end of the system and is caught by the reality of the market. This requires a serious deciphering and that the limits of the system are pointed out. Sebastian Vettel is under contract until 2015 with Red Bull Racing, which means that the next team-mate of the triple-champ German will sign a contract for a maximum period of three years (2 years + 1 year as option). Let's put aside Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren and Lotus for the moment and focus on the rest on the scene.

At Force India, the announcement of the extension of engine supply with Mercedes-Benz guarantees the presence of a German driver behind the wheel. So, Adrian Sutil will settle there a few years, while guaranteeing 8 million Euros in revenues (direct and indirect) to the team. Paul di Resta assured the German KERS and could also continue, although the difficulties of the Indian team could open the door to a pilot bringing a real budget.
At Williams, the agreement with PDVSA depends on the presence of a driver coming from Venezuela. This limits the possibilities. In the meantime Valtteri Bottas is an investment of the English team. Assuring an extra budget on 2013 broadcasting rights, the young Finn is a guarantee for the Mercedes-Benz engine in 2014. Toto Wolff, currently based in Brackley, is his former agent. At Toro Rosso, the synergic strategy with RBR is visible from the signing of the Renault engine for 2014. A signature that could guarantee the presence of Jean Eric Vergne in the end, with a possible investment of Total. The future of Daniel Ricciardo is a bit murkier.
At Sauber, discussions are active to maintain the Telmex investment (a total of 15 million Euros per year) beyond 2013. Esteban GuĂȘtriez still seems too tender and nothing indicates that the Mexican group wish to divide up its money with McLaren. As Nico Hulkenberg is under contract with Ferrari (that keep him as reserve driver), he will be present in 2014 thanks to the propulsion of the Italian engine - in case of Felipe Massa's extension.

On Caterham side, discussions are intense with Renault and Charles Pic. The latter is dependent on that decision. The other driver of the English team will be a business bringer.
At Marussia, next signature for the Ferrari engine guarantees the presence of Jules Bianchi. The second pilot will be a business bringer, as well.
The inventory of fixtures of the market concerning the drivers in the middle and bottom of the list shows that the whole thing is locked by the constructors on the one side and the sponsors on the other side.

There are the top teams left now. At Ferrari the duo Alonso-Massa will be extended once again in 2014, in all likelihood.
At Mercedes, Hamilton and Rosberg will also continue the adventure.
McLaren has signed Sergio Perez until 2015 with the hope of a big budget from Telmex group, while Jenson Button has an agreement until 2014 and he would have to pay for freeing himself from it a year earlier.
There is only Lotus left. Kimi RÀikkönen's contract expires in 2013, just like Romain Grosjean's on the other hand. This explains the rumors about a transfer of the 2007 world champion to RBR next year. Because, actually, this is the only solution on the market!

It also demonstrates the great difficulty of Formula 1 to generate novelty. GP2 is now only a discipline costing money and without a big upward vector. Ditto for today's World Series Renault and F3. You have to be part of a network/circuit (Red Bull above all and once again ...) to hope to catch a glimpse of Formula 1. Yet, unfortunately Indycar is no longer a solution. Apart Danica Patrick, for marketing reasons, the pilots of the American formula are now seen at the same level as GP2'. SĂ©bastien Bourdais was the last who has made the leap. Gone are the days of Jacques Villeneuve, Alex Zanardi, Juan Pablo Montoya and Christiano Da Matta. Which enable to sound the alarm bells, because, owing to the lack of testing during the year, the teams bank on drivers who have already experienced F1. Being so, Kamui Kobayashi has a chance - as well as Bruno Senna and Vitaly Petrov have their chance - to return to the circus. The rest is still an unknown land ...

#124 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 08.07.2013 18:17

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Hulkenberg and Raikkonen the key drivers as thoughts turn to 2014

There is always some movement of drivers in F1 from one season to another and there is usually one driver who holds everything up.

This year the situation is slightly different as the retirement of Mark Webber creates an opening at the sport’s top team, Red Bull. This has fired a starting gun on driver movements for 2014.

As a result there is some action in the paddock with drivers’ agents getting busy making conversation with team bosses.

Kimi Raikkonen is in the frame for the Red Bull ride, up against Daniel Ricciardo and Jean Eric Vergne. While Sebastian Vettel was effusive in his praise for Raikkonen yesterday in the FIA press conference, hosted by JA, that could just as easily be because he knows that the Finn won’t be his team mate, as that he will.

Raikkonen has his supporters within the team, but there is a sense that, for Red Bull’s junior programme and its backers, Ricciardo is in the box seat at the moment. He said on Saturday that nothing is decided yet and Raikkonen reiterated that on Sunday.

Meanwhile Lotus are very keen on Nico Hulkenberg. He has been in discussions with them for some time. If Raikkonen stays at Lotus, it will be interesting to see whether they look to hire Hulkenberg anyway, or whether they stick with Grosjean, who had his strongest weekend for a while in Germany.

The team is never quite sure what it’s going to get with the Frenchman on any given weekend and he still has only 35% of the points of Raikkonen – although twice recently he has been instructed to let him through.

Hulkenberg provides a more consistent proposition and is highly rated by everyone he has worked with.

He finds himself in an awkward situation, with Sauber at something of a financial crossroads. The Swiss team is tight on money at the moment and the story in the paddock on Sunday was that Sauber has released him from his contract should he wish to leave.

With Felipe Massa struggling again at Ferrari, as the negotiations over 2014 start to ramp up, one wonders whether they will find a way to give him yet another chance or whether this is finally the end of the road for the Brazilian.

As lead driver in Ferrari’s ‘satellite’ team, Hulkenberg has been on Maranello’s radar this season, although he has always insisted his move there was not a holding pattern waiting for a Ferrari seat.

The interest from Lotus makes his situation more interesting and raises his stock – one way or another it seems he may finally get his chance with a leading team next year, if the cards fall right for him.


http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/07/h ... n-to-2014/

#125 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 09.07.2013 11:18

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Why having Kimi Raikkonen at Red Bull could end lingering doubts about Sebastian Vettel
As the rumour mill continues to swirl, Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes explains why signing Raikkonen could work for both Red Bull and their triple World Champion

In the immediate post-race glow of victory, Sebastian Vettel was asked about the idea of having as a team-mate the man he had just spent the last few laps fending off, Kimi Raikkonen.

"Well, I wouldn't mind," he replied.

So far, so platitudinous; the sort of bland non-committal response that doesn't invite further scrutiny either way. But then Seb chose to expand. "To be completely straight it's not my decision. I have a good relationship [with Red Bull] and we spoke about that. But not in detail yet. I think the team has no pressure on anything; at least that's what they communicated with me. I think I get along fairly well with Kimi; we never had a problem on track, even if one day we might have and crash into each other - which can happen. But then I think we'd deal with it as grown-ups and sort it out and talk about it among ourselves. At least I think that's the relationship I have with him. I respect him a lot, on and off the track. But, as I said, it's not my decision."


No-one at Red Bull makes any secret of the fact that Mark Webber's 2014 replacement will be either Raikkonen or one of the current Toro Rosso drivers. There are two obvious concerns about taking Kimi. One is that it would de-value Red Bull's junior driver programme, given that both Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne have performed well in their roles. The other is the possibility of someone of Kimi's calibre threatening the equilibrium of a team that is based around Vettel, their triple - currently on-target for quadruple - World Champion.

Team boss Christian Horner, owner Dietrich Mateschitz and junior driver director Helmut Marko will between them make the choice and of the three it would be Marko who might be expected to be pushing hardest for one of the Toro Rosso guys rather than Raikkonen. But even he is realistic about the choice facing them. He acknowledges that there can be no compromise on performance when talking of a team for which world titles are expected.

Ricciardo, in particular, is performing well at the moment but well enough to convince Marko that he would be a no-risk option? Someone who would push Vettel hard and be ready to instantly and consistently deliver wins and podiums? The feeling from within is that there is still not enough evidence of that. The decision is set to be made 'at the end of the summer' which, at best, gives Ricciardo three races in which to make an irresistible rock solid case for himself. Is that even possible?

Furthermore, signing Raikkonen for Red Bull for 2014 would not necessarily mean the end of Red Bull Racing aspirations for the Toro Rosso drivers. Should one of them put together a stunning 2014 campaign, and Kimi is signed for only one year...

In terms of the equilibrium of the team, Raikkonen's low-wattage personality is actually likely to be lower maintenance than that of the combative Mark Webber. Mark - like Seb - is someone who seeks to maximise everything at his disposal out of the car as well as in. Raikkonen is unusual, maybe even unique, among top drivers in wanting only for the car to be competitive. Ferrari was amazed at how easy and undemanding he was of them; in fact their problem with him was they didn't feel he was demanding enough. The very reason he was unsuitable as a Ferrari team leader might make him the ideal Red Bull Vettel team-mate.

If he was to be signed, the intrigue of how he might compare to Vettel would be intense. There is a small but insistent element within the F1 community - drivers included - that insists Vettel is merely a good driver in fantastic equipment. Ironically, Raikkonen's standing within the paddock is probably higher than Vettel's. <img src=" title="ii" /> This might be the very reason Vettel would relish being partnered with him. If he were to go up against someone of Kimi's standing and emerge on top, it would obliterate any doubts about his level.


What he delivered at the Nurburgring on Sunday was a drive that ranks up with any from history. The Red Bull was simply not as fast in race conditions as the Lotus. It lacked the E21's slow-corner grip and fast-corner balance. If either Romain Grosjean or Raikkonen could have got past they would have pulled comfortably away.

Obviously, the Red Bull was a quicker car in qualifying and still very good in the race, but keeping it in front of a car that needed just the smallest chink of daylight in his defences for the whole race was quite remarkable. The mental demands of that are extraordinarily high and he combines this with a natural qualifying pace that is devastating.

The world might finally accept that in fullness if Kimi Raikkonen were to become a Red Bull driver in 2014.


http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... ian-Vettel

#126 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 09.07.2013 12:22

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Lotus confident it can keep Kimi

Lotus co-owner Gerard Lopez is confident his team can prevent Kimi Raikkonen being lured away to Red Bull next season.

There is an open seat at Red Bull in 2014 now that Mark Webber has announced his retirement and Christian Horner has made no secret that Raikkonen is on his list of potential candidates. The Finnish driver insists he has not yet made a decision on where to go next year, but from a sporting perspective Red Bull's unrivalled success in recent years makes it the obvious choice.

However, Lopez thinks the team culture at Lotus is attractive to Raikkonen, an assertion backed up by interviews with the Finn since he joined the team in 2011. Asked what he felt his chances were of keeping Raikkonen on board, Lopez replied: "I would say high."

"He's been treated well like we would treat any driver," Lopez added. "I think this team has a culture that is quite human and somebody told me that for the human-being Kimi this is the best team and for the racer he has to decide."

Lopez is also confident his team can provide Raikkonen with the competitive car he desires next season.

"He knows the technical side of things," Lopez added. "We developed the car to the point last year that the delta between us and Red Bull was the same at the second race as it was at the two last races. So I don't think that is much of an issue.

"People keep talking about budget, and while we have a lower budget than a lot of teams, we seem to do quite well with it. There is a certain culture about this team that does things right and that's the culture that Kimi likes. If we had huge time constraints on him I don't think he would enjoy it, and as a matter of fact he hasn't enjoyed it at other teams before."

Lotus is in the process of bringing new investors to the team, and although they have not taken a shareholding yet, Lopez said the deal was still going ahead.

"That is progressing onwards, but it also sits with us," he said. "We issued a statement because we have to as our group is a well-known group and we can't just wait for things to come out. It's progressing and it's partly up to us to push that forward."


http://en.espnf1.com/lotusf1/motorsport ... 15821.html

#127 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 09.07.2013 14:14

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Proof that #Kimi's 2014 negotiations are underway... #SaveMiniKimi #Raikkonen #F1 pic.twitter.com/LCjjahJu26



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#128 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Olga 09.07.2013 15:18

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Red Bull #2 driver

Further gossip and rumour. The word at Red Bull is that Ricciardo – barring disaster – will get the Vacant seat left by Mark Webber and that this will be announced in Spa. Johnny Herbert appears to believe he has a source who is suggesting it will be Kimi. Yet TJ13 believes the team think Kimi too much of a maverick, and Red Bull will follow the Ferrari model and now admit to having an outright number 1 driver in Vettel.

Kimi had problems during his 2002-06 tenure at McLaren and his biggest problem was Ron Dennis. Dennis wanted to change him the same way he changed Mika, but it Kimi resisted. When allowed Kimi would arrive at the F1 destination, drives the car and then goe home. Speculation was high when Dennis retired from his day-to-day F1 duties that Kimi would return, but Ron still held a veto on who drives for McLaren and who does not and there was no way Kimi was to be allowed a second chance.

Raikkonen similarly had problems with the hierarchy during his time at Ferrari. He had signed an extension to drive with the team until 2010 as reported by FOM, “Ferrari have announced an extension to Kimi Raikkonen’s contract for a further two seasons, keeping the world champion with the Italian team until the end of 2010. With Raikkonen’s team mate Felipe Massa also under contract for that period, it means Ferrari’s race line-up will remain unchanged until at least the start of their 2011 campaign”.

Yet by the end of 2009, Kimi was mysteriously gone and Fernando had been recruited. Kimi said to the BBC at the time, “I am very sad to be leaving a team with whom I have spent three fantastic years. I have always felt at home with everyone here, and I will have many happy memories of my time with the team.” Clearly someone in the team felt otherwise.

It’s a shame Kimi is not going to Red Bull because it would be interesting to see how Vettel measures up to another world-class driver. Of course other comparisons also become possible as following Hamilton’s move to Mercedes, many Schumacher critics now admit his second career looks rather better now than he was given credit for when driving against Rosberg.

Kimi verses Vetell could also vindicate Webber similarly from those who think he is a choker.



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#129 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Sonny 09.07.2013 15:24

I see word now that Lotus will talk to Kimi.. I can't figure out if this is a last attempt to sign him.. Or if Kimi is truly interested in staying <img src=" title="hmm" />

#130 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 09.07.2013 16:26

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Lotus confirms Hulkenberg talks
By Editor on Tuesday, July 9, 2013

Eric Boullier on Tuesday confirmed reports Nico Hulkenberg is a candidate to drive for Lotus in 2014.

That is because the Enstone based team is facing up to the very real possibility lead driver Kimi Raikkonen will switch to Red Bull.

We reported earlier that Frenchman Boullier, the Lotus team boss, is scheduled to sit down with Finn Raikkonen’s management this week.

In the meantime, German Hulkenberg is technically a free agent, because – while he will continue to race for Sauber in 2013 – the struggling Swiss team reportedly breached contract by failing to pay him in May and June.

“I am in contact with Nico,” Boullier, who reportedly also mentioned Paul di Resta, is quoted on Tuesday by France’s L’Equipe.

Still, Lotus has not given up on retaining Raikkonen — and the inimitable Finn might not like the sound of comments made on Monday by Red Bull’s Dr Helmut Marko.

First, Raikkonen does not like his decisions rushed, and Lotus is prepared to wait for him.

But Marko said Red Bull wants to settle the name of Mark Webber’s 2014 successor “in the summer”.

“Budapest is the beginning of the summer break. Spa at the end. So it (the decision) will fall some time in August,” he told Austrian television Servus TV.

Marko is also insisting Webber’s successor make a long-term commitment — something Raikkonen might also baulk at.

“It shouldn’t be for only one year, but for the next three years,” said the Austrian. “Continuity has distinguished us as a team.”

Further, Raikkonen despises media and sponsor work, while rumours suggest he also likes to spend precious little time with his engineers.

Marko, though, wants Sebastian Vettel’s next teammate to do plenty of “simulator work” <img src=" title="ha" /> whilst working “awfully hard” with the team’s technical boffins.

“There are many criteria that must be filled,” he added.

Presumably, Marko wants Raikkonen to truly want the Red Bull seat, rather than slip into the sort of top team-complacency that at Ferrari ended his first F1 career.

“We have plenty of choice,” said Marko. “There is Kimi and there are many others — almost everyone would want to be with us.

“We need two strong drivers, so you also can win the constructors’ championship. The opposite is Ferrari, who put everything on Alonso and the drivers’ championship.

“But we want both,” added Marko.


http://www.f1zone.net/news/lotus-confir ... lks/19699/

#131 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Sonny 09.07.2013 16:43

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That is a condemning statement toward Felipe and Ferrari.. But can anyone really disagree?!

#132 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Kriss 09.07.2013 16:48

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I'm trying hard to imagine Kimi doing "plenty of “simulator work” and "working awfully hard with the team’s technical boffins". <img src=" title="ha" />

Maybe they try to scare Kimi away <img src=" title="ii" />

#133 RE: Silly Season 2014 by miezicat 09.07.2013 18:26

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I'm trying hard to imagine Kimi doing "plenty of “simulator work” and "working awfully hard with the team’s technical boffins".

Maybe they try to scare Kimi away


seems like it <img src=h" title="hih" /> well from the impression and his words I think Marko doesn't prefer Kimi..
the interview (in german) can be watched here http://www.servustv.com/cs/Satellite/Ar ... 9518429570
actually he said: "The work off track like simulator and a lot of technical briefings has to be done by both drivers at the same time. On the other side you need two strong drivers so you can win constructors championship."

the long time commitment might be a problem too <img src=" title="dunno" /> first he said it should be for two, three years then later again it's not for one year but three years.

#134 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Ragingjamaican 09.07.2013 21:23

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So where's he going then? :S

#135 RE: Silly Season 2014 by Olga 09.07.2013 21:30

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